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		<title>By: SnapStream Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Confessions of a SnapStream Tester</title>
		<link>http://blogs.snapstream.com/2007/05/17/tv-viewers-bill-of-rights/#comment-260170</link>
		<dc:creator>SnapStream Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Confessions of a SnapStream Tester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 23:25:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Zack</title>
		<link>http://blogs.snapstream.com/2007/05/17/tv-viewers-bill-of-rights/#comment-144219</link>
		<dc:creator>Zack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2007 20:12:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, Jericho is back on: http://chron.com/disp/story.mpl/headline/entertainment/4868092.html

I still refuse to watch it, though.  Shouldn't take 50 thousand pounds of peanuts to have a network close a plotline.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Jericho is back on: <a href="http://chron.com/disp/story.mpl/headline/entertainment/4868092.html" rel="nofollow">http://chron.com/disp/story.mpl/headline/entertainment/4868092.html</a></p>
<p>I still refuse to watch it, though.  Shouldn&#8217;t take 50 thousand pounds of peanuts to have a network close a plotline.</p>
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		<title>By: JacobsLather</title>
		<link>http://blogs.snapstream.com/2007/05/17/tv-viewers-bill-of-rights/#comment-136661</link>
		<dc:creator>JacobsLather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2007 10:46:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I completely agree with you, Fil.  I wasn't aware of the BBC series structure, and so I had never really considered there was any other way.  I think in general, we need to get out of the box of TV (so to speak).  The concept of seasons is kind of archaic, since there are so many new shows starting at all times during the year.  Furthermore, I think distinguishing shows as limited-run, mini-series, full-run, etc, is limiting what we see too much.  It'd be nice to have some venue where creators could air their shows--tell their stories--without having to make them a certain length or appeal to a certain demographic.  Indy fillmmakers have been more able to do this in the past few years as technologies have gotten cheaper and studios have gotten wise to a new business model--give people quality and they'll thank you.  

I know that straight-to-DVD movies have become more common lately, and have gained more respect than what they used to, because of this Indy movement.  I wonder if there will ever be straight-to-DVD TV shows.  It doesn't seem that far-fetched, really.  You make a show, air some episodes during another show's break, and then get people to go out and rent or buy the rest of the season on DVD.  Then, if the response is high enough, you do it again for another season.  If it's hot enough, you might even get a full-run of the series on broadcast.  I had heard rumors that Family Guy, before the show was picked back up by Fox, was going to do a season on DVD, and imagine they could do that because of the low cost of animation.  A show like Heroes, on the other hand, probably couldn't do that as easily without running a high risk of losing money.  But I'd gladly watch a cheap show with great writing and a great concept over a super-glossy show with predictable plotting and a tired premise (see previous example).  

I know it's wishfull thinking, but, like I said, I just wish there was a new medium that would give show creators a place to display their work without network involvement.  Maybe the Internet will be that medium.

By the way, I wholeheartedly DISagree with putting Lost on the "didn't do it right" list.  In my opinion, Lost is the only show that has ever done it PERFECTLY.  Long breaks and "filler episodes" notwithstanding, Lost is the only drama I'm aware of that truly has integrity and respect for it's viewers. (Seinfeld being the only comedy.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I completely agree with you, Fil.  I wasn&#8217;t aware of the BBC series structure, and so I had never really considered there was any other way.  I think in general, we need to get out of the box of TV (so to speak).  The concept of seasons is kind of archaic, since there are so many new shows starting at all times during the year.  Furthermore, I think distinguishing shows as limited-run, mini-series, full-run, etc, is limiting what we see too much.  It&#8217;d be nice to have some venue where creators could air their shows&#8211;tell their stories&#8211;without having to make them a certain length or appeal to a certain demographic.  Indy fillmmakers have been more able to do this in the past few years as technologies have gotten cheaper and studios have gotten wise to a new business model&#8211;give people quality and they&#8217;ll thank you.  </p>
<p>I know that straight-to-DVD movies have become more common lately, and have gained more respect than what they used to, because of this Indy movement.  I wonder if there will ever be straight-to-DVD TV shows.  It doesn&#8217;t seem that far-fetched, really.  You make a show, air some episodes during another show&#8217;s break, and then get people to go out and rent or buy the rest of the season on DVD.  Then, if the response is high enough, you do it again for another season.  If it&#8217;s hot enough, you might even get a full-run of the series on broadcast.  I had heard rumors that Family Guy, before the show was picked back up by Fox, was going to do a season on DVD, and imagine they could do that because of the low cost of animation.  A show like Heroes, on the other hand, probably couldn&#8217;t do that as easily without running a high risk of losing money.  But I&#8217;d gladly watch a cheap show with great writing and a great concept over a super-glossy show with predictable plotting and a tired premise (see previous example).  </p>
<p>I know it&#8217;s wishfull thinking, but, like I said, I just wish there was a new medium that would give show creators a place to display their work without network involvement.  Maybe the Internet will be that medium.</p>
<p>By the way, I wholeheartedly DISagree with putting Lost on the &#8220;didn&#8217;t do it right&#8221; list.  In my opinion, Lost is the only show that has ever done it PERFECTLY.  Long breaks and &#8220;filler episodes&#8221; notwithstanding, Lost is the only drama I&#8217;m aware of that truly has integrity and respect for it&#8217;s viewers. (Seinfeld being the only comedy.)</p>
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		<title>By: fil</title>
		<link>http://blogs.snapstream.com/2007/05/17/tv-viewers-bill-of-rights/#comment-135550</link>
		<dc:creator>fil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2007 13:40:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This was an interesting list but you make a major error...you show in your "did it right" column Soaps, Wrestling and 24.  The latter which defeats one of your points (tired, re-tread plots) and then...well, Soaps and Wrestling.  These are what we want to aspire to in television??  I do agree that large breaks are kind of annoying but if you are going to show the ones that do it right, at least do ones that match up with what you are talking about, namely weekly, prime-time drama.  Believe me, I appreciate the work that goes into a Soap and Wrestling but they are hardly the same animal.  

Maybe for your "did it right" you should include shows like Battlestar Galactica (though they have a break, they show 10 episodes week to week at a time) or Sopranos (other than their weird seasonal breaks...1-2 years) the also show a weekly episode until the season is done.    In fact, just use all HBO shows in general.

I agree about cancelled shows but what can you do?  I think a better idea would be to follow the BBC model for shows.  Instead of trying to sell the next 22-26 episode monster season for a show, create a concept that you can do in 6-10 episodes, do it and air it and see what happens.  Most shows that get past the pilot get investments for that many episodes anyway (even Drive, I think, has that many in the can...and Firefly had double).

Look at great shows like Dr. Who (doing 12 eps, I think), the original Office (6 per season), Coupling (6, as well), etc.  I would rather have 5 shows with 6 episodes each that are tightly plotted and enjoyable than one 22 episode season of a show with filler episodes (I am looking at you, Season 7 of Buffy).  Drive, a fun concept, doesn't have 22 episode seasons to me.  If anything screams short concept, that is it.

The same could be said for Firefly. I would watch that show for 10 seasons if they had it on but a nice 10 episode season with a beginning, middle and end would be just as satisfying to me.  I think we need to get out of the box of "Have to fill 22 episodes to be a series" idea and get into just doing stories that are can be shot and aired and done.  If it works, do another series.  If it doesn't, oh well, at least we have one full story to enjoy.

The shows I watch on DVD over and over again are rarely full seasons of the classic Amercian genre shows, like Star Trek, Buffy, etc.  I pick bits out and enjoy but that is it.  But the HBO shows like Deadwood, Band of Brothers, etc. get yearly viewings because I can watch a full season in a few weeks of casual viewing and get a fully developed and wonderful story.

As for Cliffhangers, they can be good and bad and I think it is a matter of taste.  I liked how Heroes ended..it finished the main storyline and gave us more of a teaser for season 2.  BSG, on the other hand, gave us a full-on cliffhanger. Both work for me as I am equally excited for both.  The best finale with cliffhanger would be the Star Trek the Next Gen series that had Riker standing up and saying "fire!" as he went against the Borg.  How fun was that?  We all yelled and the screen while giggling, dreading the wait and making us want more.  I think that is the key.  If you want to come back again, that is awesome.  If they do it by wrapping things up for creating a cliffhanger, fine.  

Anyway, neat list and fun for discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was an interesting list but you make a major error&#8230;you show in your &#8220;did it right&#8221; column Soaps, Wrestling and 24.  The latter which defeats one of your points (tired, re-tread plots) and then&#8230;well, Soaps and Wrestling.  These are what we want to aspire to in television??  I do agree that large breaks are kind of annoying but if you are going to show the ones that do it right, at least do ones that match up with what you are talking about, namely weekly, prime-time drama.  Believe me, I appreciate the work that goes into a Soap and Wrestling but they are hardly the same animal.  </p>
<p>Maybe for your &#8220;did it right&#8221; you should include shows like Battlestar Galactica (though they have a break, they show 10 episodes week to week at a time) or Sopranos (other than their weird seasonal breaks&#8230;1-2 years) the also show a weekly episode until the season is done.    In fact, just use all HBO shows in general.</p>
<p>I agree about cancelled shows but what can you do?  I think a better idea would be to follow the BBC model for shows.  Instead of trying to sell the next 22-26 episode monster season for a show, create a concept that you can do in 6-10 episodes, do it and air it and see what happens.  Most shows that get past the pilot get investments for that many episodes anyway (even Drive, I think, has that many in the can&#8230;and Firefly had double).</p>
<p>Look at great shows like Dr. Who (doing 12 eps, I think), the original Office (6 per season), Coupling (6, as well), etc.  I would rather have 5 shows with 6 episodes each that are tightly plotted and enjoyable than one 22 episode season of a show with filler episodes (I am looking at you, Season 7 of Buffy).  Drive, a fun concept, doesn&#8217;t have 22 episode seasons to me.  If anything screams short concept, that is it.</p>
<p>The same could be said for Firefly. I would watch that show for 10 seasons if they had it on but a nice 10 episode season with a beginning, middle and end would be just as satisfying to me.  I think we need to get out of the box of &#8220;Have to fill 22 episodes to be a series&#8221; idea and get into just doing stories that are can be shot and aired and done.  If it works, do another series.  If it doesn&#8217;t, oh well, at least we have one full story to enjoy.</p>
<p>The shows I watch on DVD over and over again are rarely full seasons of the classic Amercian genre shows, like Star Trek, Buffy, etc.  I pick bits out and enjoy but that is it.  But the HBO shows like Deadwood, Band of Brothers, etc. get yearly viewings because I can watch a full season in a few weeks of casual viewing and get a fully developed and wonderful story.</p>
<p>As for Cliffhangers, they can be good and bad and I think it is a matter of taste.  I liked how Heroes ended..it finished the main storyline and gave us more of a teaser for season 2.  BSG, on the other hand, gave us a full-on cliffhanger. Both work for me as I am equally excited for both.  The best finale with cliffhanger would be the Star Trek the Next Gen series that had Riker standing up and saying &#8220;fire!&#8221; as he went against the Borg.  How fun was that?  We all yelled and the screen while giggling, dreading the wait and making us want more.  I think that is the key.  If you want to come back again, that is awesome.  If they do it by wrapping things up for creating a cliffhanger, fine.  </p>
<p>Anyway, neat list and fun for discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: TV Viewer&#8217;s Bill of Rights &#187; ScreenHead</title>
		<link>http://blogs.snapstream.com/2007/05/17/tv-viewers-bill-of-rights/#comment-134836</link>
		<dc:creator>TV Viewer&#8217;s Bill of Rights &#187; ScreenHead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2007 00:17:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I can&#8217;t take credit for this - Zack at Snapstream deserves all the credit, and I really recommend going to his blog for the all thing. I&#8217;m just going to touch upon the basics: [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I can&#8217;t take credit for this - Zack at Snapstream deserves all the credit, and I really recommend going to his blog for the all thing. I&#8217;m just going to touch upon the basics: [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Server upgrades and online video bill of rights &#183; Kokorec</title>
		<link>http://blogs.snapstream.com/2007/05/17/tv-viewers-bill-of-rights/#comment-133480</link>
		<dc:creator>Server upgrades and online video bill of rights &#183; Kokorec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2007 13:22:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Online Video Bill of Rights: SnapStream emailed to point up their TV Viewers Bill of Rights, which lays out a number of guidelines that networks would be well suited to follow if they want to hold on to their audience. We came up best practices for people providing video content online, and these guidelines couldn’t apply to everyone from the lowly vlogger to vast media megalopolies. That’s the beautiful thing about bills of rights — they’re supposed to apply to everyone. Though as Sally Hemmings might have pointed out, your mileage may vary. Continue reading&#8230; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Online Video Bill of Rights: SnapStream emailed to point up their TV Viewers Bill of Rights, which lays out a number of guidelines that networks would be well suited to follow if they want to hold on to their audience. We came up best practices for people providing video content online, and these guidelines couldn’t apply to everyone from the lowly vlogger to vast media megalopolies. That’s the beautiful thing about bills of rights — they’re supposed to apply to everyone. Though as Sally Hemmings might have pointed out, your mileage may vary. Continue reading&#8230; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: links for 2007-05-28 : Tama Leaver dot Net</title>
		<link>http://blogs.snapstream.com/2007/05/17/tv-viewers-bill-of-rights/#comment-133051</link>
		<dc:creator>links for 2007-05-28 : Tama Leaver dot Net</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2007 00:36:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] TV Viewers Bill of Rights [SnapStream Blog] No stupid breaks; Advance the storyline; Don’t cancel the show without an ending; Commit to an end time for the first storyline; Don’t have cliffhangers season to season; Don’t name the show; Don’t screw with the timeslot; Find a new storyline &#8230; (tags: tv production convergence digitalculture) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] TV Viewers Bill of Rights [SnapStream Blog] No stupid breaks; Advance the storyline; Don’t cancel the show without an ending; Commit to an end time for the first storyline; Don’t have cliffhangers season to season; Don’t name the show; Don’t screw with the timeslot; Find a new storyline &#8230; (tags: tv production convergence digitalculture) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: GigaOM Server upgrades and online video bill of rights &#171;</title>
		<link>http://blogs.snapstream.com/2007/05/17/tv-viewers-bill-of-rights/#comment-131532</link>
		<dc:creator>GigaOM Server upgrades and online video bill of rights &#171;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2007 04:20:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Online Video Bill of Rights: SnapStream emailed to point up their TV Viewers Bill of Rights, which lays out a number of guidelines that networks would be well suited to follow if they want to hold on to their audience. We came up best practices for people providing video content online, and these guidelines couldn’t apply to everyone from the lowly vlogger to vast media megalopolies. That’s the beautiful thing about bills of rights — they’re supposed to apply to everyone. Though as Sally Hemmings might have pointed out, your mileage may vary. Continue reading&#8230; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Online Video Bill of Rights: SnapStream emailed to point up their TV Viewers Bill of Rights, which lays out a number of guidelines that networks would be well suited to follow if they want to hold on to their audience. We came up best practices for people providing video content online, and these guidelines couldn’t apply to everyone from the lowly vlogger to vast media megalopolies. That’s the beautiful thing about bills of rights — they’re supposed to apply to everyone. Though as Sally Hemmings might have pointed out, your mileage may vary. Continue reading&#8230; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Wilkerson</title>
		<link>http://blogs.snapstream.com/2007/05/17/tv-viewers-bill-of-rights/#comment-131031</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Wilkerson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 15:07:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*update* Winter breaks also accomodate actors who want to be on the road too, they have families and friends to be spending time with, they don't always film the whole season a year in advanced.  Be respectful to your people or do it all in CG so they can work 24/7 like slaves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*update* Winter breaks also accomodate actors who want to be on the road too, they have families and friends to be spending time with, they don&#8217;t always film the whole season a year in advanced.  Be respectful to your people or do it all in CG so they can work 24/7 like slaves.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Wilkerson</title>
		<link>http://blogs.snapstream.com/2007/05/17/tv-viewers-bill-of-rights/#comment-131030</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Wilkerson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 15:01:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Negative points to this article:

- Winter breaks are good, I'm on the road visiting family, I'm not watching TV, thank god people still use them, *note* Simpsons, Heroes, Family Guy

- 24 has used those similar big government, terrorist over used plots

- Finally, all the shows you mention are free contact via public broadcast, you get what you pay for, if you want good serialised drama, get HBO and tune in to it's commercial free seasons.

:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Negative points to this article:</p>
<p>- Winter breaks are good, I&#8217;m on the road visiting family, I&#8217;m not watching TV, thank god people still use them, *note* Simpsons, Heroes, Family Guy</p>
<p>- 24 has used those similar big government, terrorist over used plots</p>
<p>- Finally, all the shows you mention are free contact via public broadcast, you get what you pay for, if you want good serialised drama, get HBO and tune in to it&#8217;s commercial free seasons.</p>
<p> <img src='http://blogs.snapstream.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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